Comments on: Collapse http://www.nixonthehand.com/2009/12/16/collapse/#utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=collapse for today, for the future. Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:26:18 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Billy Susbuck http://www.nixonthehand.com/2009/12/16/collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-2499 Billy Susbuck Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:40:38 +0000 http://www.nixonthehand.com/?p=4798#comment-2499 All this from the man who once told me if he ever had to face down a dinosaur, he'd simply give up? In all seriousness, I'll watch this little movie ditty and post some intuitions here or in a personal correspondence. For now, I'm inclined to agree with Ahoyhoj because he's usually spot on. Your attitude is just fine as well, but I think there is a only a certain point to which safeguarding against future collapse will do you any good. Obviously, when the shit hits the fan, you can help yourself a little by wearing a raincoat. But maybe you're also singing at that moment (an important part of enjoying life), and you get a big mouthful of it. Or maybe the whole ceiling collapses under the weight of your upstairs neighbor's shit. And you get buried anyway. Ultimately, you'll never be fully prepared and you'll be forced to rely on your own instincts. Do you have good judgment now? Do you trust yourself now? All this from the man who once told me if he ever had to face down a dinosaur, he’d simply give up?

In all seriousness, I’ll watch this little movie ditty and post some intuitions here or in a personal correspondence. For now, I’m inclined to agree with Ahoyhoj because he’s usually spot on. Your attitude is just fine as well, but I think there is a only a certain point to which safeguarding against future collapse will do you any good.

Obviously, when the shit hits the fan, you can help yourself a little by wearing a raincoat. But maybe you’re also singing at that moment (an important part of enjoying life), and you get a big mouthful of it. Or maybe the whole ceiling collapses under the weight of your upstairs neighbor’s shit. And you get buried anyway. Ultimately, you’ll never be fully prepared and you’ll be forced to rely on your own instincts. Do you have good judgment now? Do you trust yourself now?

]]> By: Ahoyhoj http://www.nixonthehand.com/2009/12/16/collapse/comment-page-1/#comment-2498 Ahoyhoj Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:52:16 +0000 http://www.nixonthehand.com/?p=4798#comment-2498 After watching this I am kinda left what I was thinking before. (I had see a talk he did in a documentary called "from the wilderness") We're pretty much fucked but much of what this man suggests is for more extreme than I think would happen. I foresee an re-emergence of american power because we have food and water to sell, but even we are overusing it. There will be a big shift in what is affordable (not in the sense of money but of resources) for people to have. Travel will be shut off by and large for a while till the shift to sustainable energy sources are made. the shifts of fuel and technology is rapidly changing so the possibility of having non-oil based plastics is 100% possible (there was an actual formula derived 100 years back or so that used no petro. they guy made billard balls out of it. they weren't profitable so he ditched the formula). Technology might stop advancing much for a good decade or 2 maybe but it won't stop. Human civilization won't hit a dark age because I really don't foresee us falling apart like that. Post-apocalyptic sure, nightmare possibly. but more like a limbo. It won't be as good as we have it now. but he is right about food. The whole agri-business petroleum model is crap. After watching this I am kinda left what I was thinking before. (I had see a talk he did in a documentary called “from the wilderness”)
We’re pretty much fucked but much of what this man suggests is for more extreme than I think would happen.
I foresee an re-emergence of american power because we have food and water to sell, but even we are overusing it. There will be a big shift in what is affordable (not in the sense of money but of resources) for people to have. Travel will be shut off by and large for a while till the shift to sustainable energy sources are made.

the shifts of fuel and technology is rapidly changing so the possibility of having non-oil based plastics is 100% possible (there was an actual formula derived 100 years back or so that used no petro. they guy made billard balls out of it. they weren’t profitable so he ditched the formula). Technology might stop advancing much for a good decade or 2 maybe but it won’t stop. Human civilization won’t hit a dark age because I really don’t foresee us falling apart like that.

Post-apocalyptic sure, nightmare possibly. but more like a limbo. It won’t be as good as we have it now.

but he is right about food. The whole agri-business petroleum model is crap.

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